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Post by Benry on Mar 19, 2008 9:05:39 GMT -5
yo jpimpin realize that kbell is more pissed off at the fact that we (not all) thought Ronnie was dead. I think we managed to get the friendship level over the internet (without meeting) as far as it can go so obviously if we think someone here died we would feel sad. I dunno if u spread the rumor of Ronnie being dead or not but u didn't negate it so we all thought something bad might have happened.
Also, the site has three admins. One of them was Ronnie, u cant just disappear like that.
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Post by ®onnie ®ude on Mar 19, 2008 9:19:44 GMT -5
Really, I think Kbell is just a Drama Queen. I admit Eastern was fun to mod, but he has to understand that life comes first and his life and mine is entirely different. Instead, of having me slow down Eastern I'd prefer it be modded by someone else. Someone who has the time and dedication that I use to have.
In no way do I hate the site...If I hated the site I could have done way more horrible shit then the little bish scare-prank that I pulled on you guys. Besides if I hated the site I wouldn't have stuck around for so many years attempting to fix shit that previous admins messed up.
I'm handing off the site to you guys with it actually running smoothly rather then it being unable to function like how it was in the past. I basically laid out the path for you guys so walk it...
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Post by Shad² on Mar 19, 2008 9:43:09 GMT -5
Really, I think Kbell is just a Drama Queen. I admit Eastern was fun to mod, but he has to understand that life comes first and his life and mine is entirely different. Instead, of having me slow down Eastern I'd prefer it be modded by someone else. Someone who has the time and dedication that I use to have. In no way do I hate the site...If I hated the site I could have done way more horrible shit then the little bish scare-prank that I pulled on you guys. Besides if I hated the site I wouldn't have stuck around for so many years attempting to fix shit that previous admins messed up. I'm handing off the site to you guys with it actually running smoothly rather then it being unable to function like how it was in the past. I basically laid out the path for you guys so walk it... still you miss the point. But no matter, what's happened has happened. You leave and me and Kbell go on with the rest of the forum, no hard feelings. |
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Post by Cmdr. Maegil on Mar 19, 2008 11:09:22 GMT -5
Hey, just reminding... ;D
(Anarchy has nothing to do with Confucius, but many find it confusing...)
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Post by Shad² on Mar 19, 2008 11:32:48 GMT -5
Yes very true indeed. but the problem lies in it that Ronnie kept to a game made by Defectron I believe called April fools. I don't know where the thread is located but it's somewhere around here. So strictly technically it isn't an offense and on top of that Ronnie is going to leave in a week or two so there's not much point in banning him.
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Post by ®onnie ®ude on Mar 19, 2008 14:13:21 GMT -5
Hey, just reminding... ;D (Anarchy has nothing to do with Confucius, but many find it confusing...) lol leave it to grandpa to pull out the ten commandments and tell us about how Jesus turned water into wine. |
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Post by Benry on Mar 19, 2008 14:22:12 GMT -5
he's right tho... however that was ur first offense so...
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Post by Cmdr. Maegil on Mar 19, 2008 16:30:50 GMT -5
But it were three offenses, and repeatedly...  Er... I should stop before I cause the staff to ban themselves...  |
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Post by KßзŁŁ on Mar 19, 2008 18:07:19 GMT -5
Heh, unfortunately I respect you enough not to follow up and reply to this with what I really want to say. |
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Post by Cmdr. Maegil on Mar 19, 2008 19:28:01 GMT -5
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Post by ®onnie ®ude on Mar 19, 2008 19:28:34 GMT -5
No Kbell your mistaken. If I were to speak my mind then we'd only further dispute over something this stupid. I respect you enough to not allow u to look like an idiot arguing w/ me about something that only "YOU" want to argue about.
As for what my responsibilities are in real life and how I choose to take care of them are none of your concern. What you need to do is worry about how you appear as an admin attempting to take personal stabs at me, because you were naive enough to allow a prank get to you this mad.
Regardless of however I would have quit my duties, I'm pretty confident that you still would have reacted this way, because Kbell you are a "Drama Queen". And for you to criticize me and say I left for almost two months is an exaggeration of actually how long I've been gone.
If you look at the bigger picture you would realize that the site pretty much is stable. My project is 1/4. Project Eastern doesn't make us the Gantz rp site that we are and its about time you realized that. We have three other currently running projects and you mean to tell me that if one takes off the entire site shuts down? That's bullshit...your just pissed, because only you consider Eastern an actual project and that's biased.
If you want to be angry be angry, but what more do you want me to do for you? The site's been revamped. You have a background, its organized, the whole roleplay has been worked out properly and we have veterans who are willing to mod if you gave them the chance.
Like your pissed at me, but WTF have you done? (Shad exempt of coarse) Nothing! What are you complaining for?!?
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Post by Dane on Mar 19, 2008 19:35:55 GMT -5
...I think Northern's getting kind of good... lol  |
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Post by ®onnie ®ude on Mar 19, 2008 19:39:08 GMT -5
...I think Northern's getting kind of good... lol comments like this are what i'll truly miss about the site lol. |
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Post by Defectron on Mar 19, 2008 20:44:40 GMT -5
If you cut down on the plot contrivences we'll be coolz
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Post by gattsu on Mar 20, 2008 3:36:52 GMT -5
Hey, I was right it was a prank, but usually with pranks you can look back on them, and say Ha. This just makes you look like a jackass. If this was a big forum it'd be fine if you just left one day, but considering it's pretty small if someone with a high post count leaves it dramatically effects the site.
And come on, your actions were destructive, 1/4 of the sites story comes from you. If someone suddenly had 25% of their house burned you don't think that would be destructive? I'm not only pissed about that, but also about the fact that I waited along time to get into Eastern. Then you say you'll make up for it with some grand storyline (and your storyline seemed great). Then all that's left is silence. If you pulled this prank, and then you continued at least you'd have a saving grace, and I wouldn't be pissed. But now all you've left is some dumb ass joke, that completely disregarded anyone else.... wonderful way to leave a legacy (sarcasm).
If you an integral of almost any group its not okay to someday walk out and leave without telling anyone, and then posing it as a joke. Bullshit what you did wasn't destructive, and you didn't even try to hand Eastern off to someone else... how that making sure it runs smoothly? I can defiantly see why Kbell is angry , he has reason to be. Don't blow it off, he obviously thought of you as a friend, and you couldn't even give him 30 seconds of your life to tell him your leaving (probably feels betrayed) And you somehow think that's okay... again Bullshit. No matter what's happening in your life, you always have to think of other people, because SURPRISE, your not the only person with problems in the world.
But I don't want to end the post on such a negative note... so I'll just say you did a good job of with parts of the story that you did make.
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Post by Shad² on Mar 20, 2008 4:54:20 GMT -5
I agree with you Gattsu completely and then some more. But the reason that I'm not going to go on this track is because we shouldn't judge ronnie on just this last few weeks. He's done a lot for the forum and has only had a postive influence until this prank. Also since the person who I considered as the leader is leaving I want it to be on good terms since he deserves this. This however in no way means I agree with his actions and motives. What has been done is done.
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Post by Dane on Mar 20, 2008 6:24:05 GMT -5
Eastern isn't really 1/4 at all. It's more 1/6 what with Forever or whatever it'll become and Comedy. Then there's also the upcoming collision bringing it up to 1/8.
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Post by Benry on Mar 20, 2008 10:11:23 GMT -5
good thing Dane mentioned Collision, what about it ronnie? how we gonna do with eastern's characters? You can say it goes along as planned with Zeroji and Lance but then we have to put them in the new eastern too or it wouldnt make sense. However i think other people want to have their characters, me for example do (considering if i dont get to mod eastern) cause i've progressed a long way with tbag. The other alternative is to not have any character to participate but that would postpone Collision until we get new characters...
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Post by Defectron on Mar 20, 2008 10:23:49 GMT -5
The best solution might be to have the current characters in eastern transport to the to the other rooms sort of like we did with that one time when the rooms merged except with less merging involved.
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Post by Benry on Mar 20, 2008 10:57:55 GMT -5
umm... what? toehr?
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Post by ®onnie ®ude on Mar 20, 2008 12:23:09 GMT -5
good thing Dane mentioned Collision, what about it ronnie? how we gonna do with eastern's characters? You can say it goes along as planned with Zeroji and Lance but then we have to put them in the new eastern too or it wouldnt make sense. However i think other people want to have their characters, me for example do (considering if i dont get to mod eastern) cause i've progressed a long way with tbag. The other alternative is to not have any character to participate but that would postpone Collision until we get new characters... Benry, I don't really even recall you even being in collision unless Sendo was chosen. Either way, allow me to address that. The rules of collision have already been planned out whether or not it happens now or later depends on whether or not the other mods are ready to do it. The only things needed are aliens and someone to mod it. As for whether or not you can continue on w/ eastern w/ your regular characters is entirely up to you guys and the new mod. It has always been a new mod's job to decide whether or not to rp w/ the same characters or start a project over. It's just that most prefer to do that instead...No one asks about what will ever become of Southern's character's when Kbell takes over...Do you see where I'm going w/ this? And Gattsu. I'll allow you to be angry w/ me, but allow me to ask you something. Would you prefer a mod who can't update over one who can? From time to time I see you request frequently in multiple projects that an update be posted as well as w/ Kbell. ( a certain individual who's known to patronize mods who don't update) See, I have reasons for why I'm discontinuing modding. I can no longer promise how long or when I'll be on the site and from my experience as a roleplayer/admin/mod I feel as if you guys deserve someone who can meet this requirement. I could careless if anyone sees eastern as being a big loss, because continuing it would send it down the downward spiral that's bound to happen like w/ what happened w/ southern. (In order for a project to work the mod has to be dedicated and right now I have to be honest and say at the time I'm not.) So its a loss either way so why even try to complain about something that was inevitable? And don't attempt to make me out to be a heartless bastard, because I'm not. (atleast when you get to know me) I hate not finishing what I started, but I also hate half-assing something that deserves way more then that. That aside... As for my job as Admin my updates for the site are finished and hidden in the Admin only section. If the mere thread, containing Animals and Vampires is copied and made law in rules they can easily be introduced, because now they actually fit within the mechanics and balance everything out if they are desired to be played. That means there's no left over work from there to be done...the only thing being broadcasted about that's causing so much stress and controversy lately is Kbell's Perks and flaws that he seems to be working hard on, but isn't really necessary or looked forward to by many. This is what I would call the unbalancing factor, because in the future only one project will be doing this, but hey....that's okay right? So, like I said before. Are you pissed about the prank or the concept of me actually leaving? The prank was done to prove that you guys need to work on how you choose admins as well as empower them, because if I wasn't someone who actually cared about the site you guys would've been shit outta luck. Not to mention that this was at the expense of my good name. However, my good name isn't as important as the the lesson being taught. (in which is almost sickingly familiar to how I addressed the font issue) Lessons are taught by example and if you choose to hate me, because I opened your eyes to what is truly the problem on our forum, then I'm sorry, but you'll just have to learn to live with it as I will live to accept the way you feel. If I really didn't give a damn about you guys I wouldn't have wasted my time modding, admining and allow myself to be a target for you guys to chuck stones at when I show you the overall strength of our forum. There's strength in numbers, not one person! And no matter how much I may have helped you guys in the past that still doesn't change the truth in that statement. If you still choose to disagree w/ the way I feel about this then that's fine w/ me. I had a good time on here and certain individuals who I prefer not to name will not ruin that, because despite what your saying now I still consider you the future of this forum. |
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Post by Shad² on Mar 20, 2008 14:39:36 GMT -5
nicely spoken indeed ronnie but let me ask you this: would you prefer a mod TELL you he can't update or leave without a word and come back explaining this bullshit.
I didn't want to get involved in this discussion but you finally managed to piss me off and go against my better judgement.
First of all I disagree with you saying the forum fell apart without you because we relied too much on you. I even doubt it was a motive of yours to show us this fact, but you just played along (correct my if I'm wrong please). Your main objective was rather:
On top of that the reason things didn't continue smoothly was because our leader left, of course there is disturbence in a group when the leader disappears and the person closest to him, Jpimpin, won't tell you shit. But the forum continued to operate normally except for Eastern, it was just that we didn't want to give up on you immediately and go on without you. The state of comatose Kbell talks about was primarely shallow in my opinion. So we weren't leaning on you completely. We were already making plans for replacing Eastern.
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Post by ®onnie ®ude on Mar 20, 2008 15:19:45 GMT -5
nicely spoken indeed ronnie but let me ask you this: would you prefer a mod TELL you he can't update or leave without a word and come back explaining this bullshit. First of all I disagree with you saying the forum fell apart without you because we relied too much on you. I even doubt it was a motive of yours to show us this fact, but you just played along (correct my if I'm wrong please). Your main objective was rather: Either way an explanation is deserved regardless of how its issued. I admit it wasn't the nicest prank, but it also helped me show you what its like to be a "proclaimed leader", why it isn't good to have one of these and how one isn't necessary. As well as, I'm pretty sure I put in there that "stirring controversy" was one of the determining factors, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was the only reason. On top of that the reason things didn't continue smoothly was because our leader left, of course there is disturbance in a group when the leader disappears and the person closest to him, Jpimpin, won't tell you shit. But the forum continued to operate normally except for Eastern, it was just that we didn't want to give up on you immediately and go on without you. The state of comatose Kbell talks about was primarely shallow in my opinion. So we weren't leaning on you completely. We were already making plans for replacing Eastern. Balance suggested that Jpimpin stick to a consistent story and I can't say I can really disagree w/ that suggestion lol. And yeah, Kbell is a "Drama Queen", but I guess I can't really blame the guy. Once you give him an excuse to get mad or drunk you really can't stop the guy. However, I'm not your leader. Sure people have stated that I was, but never have I ever considered myself as a leader especially when I had two admins working alongside me. 3 admins makes a balance of power and a balance of decisions. I think that's what should be focused on rather then relying so much on the aspect of there really even being a "Grand Leader". |
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Post by Benry on Mar 20, 2008 16:13:42 GMT -5
Benry, I don't really even recall you even being in collision unless Sendo was chosen. i dont recall people couldnt ask what is going to happen with the site unless they take part in what is going on. So, like I said before. Are you pissed about the prank or the concept of me actually leaving? The prank was done to prove that you guys need to work on how you choose admins as well as empower them, because if I wasn't someone who actually cared about the site you guys would've been shit outta luck. Not to mention that this was at the expense of my good name. However, my good name isn't as important as the the lesson being taught. (in which is almost sickingly familiar to how I addressed the font issue) Lessons are taught by example and if you choose to hate me, because I opened your eyes to what is truly the problem on our forum, then I'm sorry, but you'll just have to learn to live with it as I will live to accept the way you feel. please... dont talk like ur jesus and u scarified urself for us. First of all no one asked you to do this. 2nd what was wrong with the site? How we choose the admins? Lets see, Shad has done a pretty good job as an admin if i'm not mistaken and you too. And if i remember correctly, you are one of those people who voted for kbell to substitute nexas so i dont see the problem here... The site was running pretty smoothly, we had 4 projects running, sure one better than the other but who cares? Everybody was doing their best to mod, we also had the schedules planned out and side-projects like Forever and Comedy Gantz going on. Not to mention collision who was gonna happen soon. And i think you guys were figuring out (or figured out how u said above) how to implement the vampires and animals in the projects. So allow me to ask you this ronnie; what was wrong with the site? Cause i aint seeing any problems man. It's true that the moment you disppeared the site went into comatose. Well of course, you were an admin and had a project running too. Jpimpin wasnt telling us anything and we knew you werent the type to just abandon us like that, without saying anything. Kbell and Tjad could just act like nothing happened and replace a new admin or a new mod. On the other hand, if you had told us u were gonna leave we would have found out a solution faster (like choosing a new mod for eastern at least). Also you urself said u had "paved the road for us to walk" so we would just need to walk. From that i'm assuming that u urself considered that everything was running smoothly so again, what was the problem in the site? |
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Post by Defectron on Mar 20, 2008 17:22:49 GMT -5
Well I've gotta admit this is the most contrevercial admin exit ever. Vash wishes he was this contreversial. Anyway yeah maybe we ought to move on. Yes this did cause some trouble for the site. Probably wouldve been better if Jpimpin just made up a story rather then being ambiguous then we wouldn't have waited until things got comatose for ronnies return. Which I don't think we should've done anyway, if a guy vanishes for a month I think it's time to start considering other options. And yes some people probably should have approached this differently. Try not to jump to conclusions! Especially you kbell, getting into a drunken depression over something that almost certainly didn't happen is never a good thing. Anyway, I think all that's needed to be said on this topic has been said. Arguing about what happened and can't be changed won't do us any good so I think it should just be closed now. Anyway after all that's said and done its a good thing I switched both the real and fake notebooks or the tall man from phantasm would've been right, it'd never be over...at least not until it was over  |
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Post by Shad² on Mar 20, 2008 17:30:31 GMT -5
I guess defectron is right. There's no reason and also no benefit of us attacking ronnie for what he did. It'll only damage the morale and it even has prevented me continuing our plans for replacing Eastern's mod and what we should with the characters. there will be an announcement about that very soon.
Since ronnie isn't going to mod Eastern anymore there's no reason for him to be a mod.
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