Would a Y-Gun work duing the LOG phase? *RESOLVED*

[Dane]

Because as we've been shown, the victim of the Y-Gun is sent somewhere with the same kind of laser that Gantz uses, however, since a hunt is not actually in session, would the Y-Gun send anything away, or just trap it in the net and that's it?
I was trying to think of a time when the Y-Gun was used outside of Gantz in the manga, but nothing came to mind (Please correct me if I'm wrong), so, since Oku hasn't given us an example of this (As far as I know), what is the site's official stance on this?

[®onnie ®ude]

Aug 14, 2008 15:10:55 GMT -5 Dane said:

Because as we've been shown, the victim of the Y-Gun is sent somewhere with the same kind of laser that Gantz uses, however, since a hunt is not actually in session, would the Y-Gun send anything away, or just trap it in the net and that's it?
I was trying to think of a time when the Y-Gun was used outside of Gantz in the manga, but nothing came to mind (Please correct me if I'm wrong), so, since Oku hasn't given us an example of this (As far as I know), what is the site's official stance on this?

Good question.

I rarely ever say this, but for once I think a question like this should be up to the mod. So, allow me to elaborate on my reasons behind why I feel this way.

Reasons: (Manga/Anime aside)

Pro:

• If a mission is failed, aliens will appear outside of Gantz and a Y-Gun perhaps may be necessary to capture and send that alien.
  
• The Y-Gun can also be used as a way to recruit a new gantzer, w/o having them die to get into Gantz.
  
• Similar to the reason above, by using this method of recruiting, a gantzer can easily save themselves from having their head explode when they are moments away from being discovered or etc etc...via capturing the person w/ the y-gun and sending them to Gantz.
  
• Use of a Y-Gun outside of Gantz to retrieve a persistent alien is virtually imo the only way to rid of it in a way that won't draw large amounts of attention.
  
• The Y-Gun HAS always been an underrated type of weaponry and this would be a way to encourage its usage.
  

Con:

• When a mission is over, Gantz disappears, so how would the alien reach Gantz?
  
• Outside of Gantz the Y-Gun WOULD imo seem more realistic to just ensnare enemies rather then send them, being that there's no set rule that Gantz keeps tabs on Gantzers. (IMO I think the bombs in the head are like security feature w/ a password to activate it. The word "Gantz" is that password.
  
• Like the controller (stealth aside), w/o Gantz's instruction the map is worthless as well. So why not the Y-Gun?
  
• Being able to recruit as you please w/ the Y-Gun (via...ensnaring them and sending them to gantz) puts Gantz at risk, being that that allows a gantzer to be able to have some manipulation over who enters Gantz. IMO I think that's power that Gantz would not allow to someone who he can't trust. If he trusted you there wouldn't be a bomb in your head.
  
• I also think that Gantz sees himself as spoiling the Gantzers and the missions being a privilege. If the team can't take care out the alien during a mission in a controlled environment, then why should Gantz lend a hand again with Y-Guns and risk being exposed? It's their problem now.
  

So, with this bit of reasoning for pro/con I have to admit I can lean to either side. We should let the mods decide this as well as whether or not aliens can be seen on controllers outside of Gantz.

[KßзŁŁ]

Mostly everything you've said is highly speculative IMO, Ronnie. I suppose having the y-gun "recruit" people is kind of convenient, but the only basis for that is your own project. Also, I don't think Gantz blows your head up for just "being discovered", like you were going to have happen in the theater mission... Remember that Gantz kept the hunters invisible for a long time, and when he made them visible, just being seen was never grounds for "expulsion". The only guy I can think of that got his head blown up (without leaving the hunt area) is Tetsuo, the yakuza that mentioned Gantz's name in front of a bunch of bikers.

The only thing I really don't agree with, though, is you saying Gantz disappears after a mission. The only evidence of that (that I know of) comes from the last mission in the anime, when the Gantz team is arguably all dead anyways. Even if it were so, I don't see any reason why the y-gun wouldn't work; the guiding force of "Gantz" or whatever is still present even if the ball takes a vacation (he always calls the hunters back for the next hunt, so he obviously still exists, even if the ball disappears like you for some reason think it does)

[®onnie ®ude]

Aug 14, 2008 16:30:32 GMT -5 KßзŁŁ said:

Mostly everything you've said is highly speculative IMO, Ronnie. I suppose having the y-gun "recruit" people is kind of convenient, but the only basis for that is your own project. Also, I don't think Gantz blows your head up for just "being discovered", like you were going to have happen in the theater mission... Remember that Gantz kept the hunters invisible for a long time, and when he made them visible, just being seen was never grounds for "expulsion". The only guy I can think of that got his head blown up (without leaving the hunt area) is Tetsuo, the yakuza that mentioned Gantz's name in front of a bunch of bikers.

The only thing I really don't agree with, though, is you saying Gantz disappears after a mission. The only evidence of that (that I know of) comes from the last mission in the anime, when the Gantz team is arguably all dead anyways. Even if it were so, I don't see any reason why the y-gun wouldn't work; the guiding force of "Gantz" or whatever is still present even if the ball takes a vacation (he always calls the hunters back for the next hunt, so he obviously still exists, even if the ball disappears like you for some reason think it does)

lol, I doubt Gantz pays rent bro.

[KßзŁŁ]

right, because paying rent has so much to do with anything I said in there.

*facepalm*

[®onnie ®ude]

Aug 14, 2008 18:29:57 GMT -5 KßзŁŁ said:

right, because paying rent has so much to do with anything I said in there.

*facepalm*

As a matter of fact it does, because I doubt Gantz can stay in an apartment that long w/o being discovered. Having doubts about Gantz disappearing when all Gantzers leave means that some way or another that apartment must belong to him. So, paying rent is MY only logical assumption to support your theory of the possibility of Gantz not disappearing after missions.

However, I could be wrong, but I noticed or assumed majority of projects I rp'd in had Gantz appear in before missions.

I didn't address the 1st part of the paragraph, because you were right and I was in fact referring to what I was doing in Eastern and what Defectron had happening in certain instances of Southern. My Gantz was against Gantzers being seen during missions (I had yet to explain why that was an issue) and Defectron's imo was against revealing even slight details about Gantz to any non-gantzer unless they swore secrecy. (in which imo is a bunch of BS, but whatever...lol)

But, what it all comes down to is...I'm a lazy quoter.

[KßзŁŁ]

First off, if gantz can photocopy a human being, I'm pretty sure the people in charge of the project would be able to rent an apartment without having to worry about bitches "checking in" on the place. Obviously money can be deposited into a bank account; it's not necessary for Gantz to hand bills to somebody personally. Quotes aren't necessary to prove your point (at least to anyone familiar with the projects), but it should be fairly obvious that a black ball with a comatose person inside of it ain't gonna be paying any bills ever, imo.

[®onnie ®ude]

Aug 15, 2008 3:43:11 GMT -5 KßзŁŁ said:

but it should be fairly obvious that a black ball with a comatose person inside of it ain't gonna be paying any bills ever, imo.

That's why it bugs the hell out of me! If Gantz stays in an apartment for a month w/o being discovered, then there is no god Kbell.

[KßзŁŁ]

I detect 0% logic in your posts.

[®onnie ®ude]

Yeah, there's no point in logic when its a discussion of Gantz. I say let the mods decide whether or not Gantz pays rent or disappears.

[KßзŁŁ]

mods are and have always been the final word when it comes to shit like this.

[®onnie ®ude]

Welp, allow me to say that my final word is the final word that encourages the mod's final word.

Resolved!

[KßзŁŁ]

xD

it's up to the mod whether or not your words encourage him

[Virtuoso]

Aug 15, 2008 4:25:51 GMT -5 ®onnie ®ude said:

I say let the mods decide whether or not Gantz pays rent or disappears.

Are those really the only options? I mean, has the manga ever shown any other tenants of the apartment? Maybe the building is completely abandoned and Gantz is just a squatter. Therefore, he need not disappear despite never paying rent.
Endo story.

[Defectron]

Actually Gantz wouldnt have a need to vanish that often. The gantz room is protected by Gantz's force fields, the idea that the outside of the room might be as well isn't a big stretch. Kurono did try going back to the room but he couldnt open the door. I think the only time gantz might leave is if the inability of anyone to open up the room began to draw more attention. Gantz might even just vanish whenever someone comes to check up on the room but is there the rest of the time.

[KßзŁŁ]

jesus fuck did def just agree with me? I'm shocked

[Shad²]

About the original question i must say that the Y-gun will work outside of Gantz missions. Whether Gantz stays in his room or disappears has no effect on it. The Y-gun sends aliens to somewhere we don't know, but it's highly plausible that the gun is in connection to where the alien is being transported too and it will stay connected to it outside of missions.

[®onnie ®ude]

I say that'd be up to the mod.