So, are we sure?

[Dane]

That Kurono is even in the memory? I mean, I know that he most probably is since he was a Gantzer before and hell, even Kojima was in the memory and she was a target, but just imagine if he wasn't in the memory. That sure would suck for Katou. He's so damn determined to go up against the 100 pointer, what if, after a long, extremely difficult battle, it was all for naught?
That'd suck.

[Benry]

Kurono is in the memory. It would be bullshit if he wasnt and so is izumi. I hope u can sleep better now at night

[Dane]

Well, obviously Izumi is in the memory, cuz he died while he was still a part of the Gantz team, but we've never been shown if someone's in the memory after they leave. Like, if Izumi had just died and stayed dead sometime before he got into Gantz the second time would he be in the memory anyway?

[KßзŁŁ]

if gantz allowed Tae to be revived, who was a damn target, I don't see why he wouldn't allow Kurono to be revived. I'm gonna be pissed if he doesn't at least have the version of Kurono right before he quit saved, that would be so lame.

[The Merc]

I would like to think that while Kurono is listed in the memory, he's off actually doing some super strange and all powerful special Gantz training so when he comes back, he's more badass then he was originally.

[Benry]

we're not in dragonball here lol

[The Merc]

But it'd be a good example of exactly what Gantz can do. If people are just data, what's to say he doesn't completely rewrite Kurono, so while it's Kurono's body, he has a new set of memories, new skills, new weapons, etc.

[®onnie ®ude]

benry said:

we're not in dragonball here lol

If that were the case it'd be about a shitty ass tournament similar to the one you did. Add a Z and then you would be referring to training in the afterlife.

[Dane]

If it was the anime it'd take the X-Gun fifteen episodes to shoot.

[The Merc]

Well, training in the afterlife is one thing, but my second post was more over referring to how it seems that people are simply data to Gantz, and data can be rewritten. So while physically it's Kurono, mentally, it's not, it's like some god gantzer taking the finest qualities of every supreme gantzer out there and combining it into one person...

[jjrev609]

then it would be interesting to see how the others react if Kurono was revived and turned out that way

[Benry]

no it would be cheesy. I think everybody likes the real kurono and not some deux-ex machina who can beat anyonee easily

[The Merc]

But there in lies his weakness.... no one will like him anymore, everyone would be trying to get old Kurono back (while Reika will probably be trying to get Kurono on his back), and new Kurono would be overconfident probably from having all this badassadry that he's probably going to get his ass kicked once again by blondie....

[jjrev609]

and that's exactly why I said it would be interesting

[KßзŁŁ]

that's stupid balance; why would gantz waste his time hacking people's minds? I don't think gantz does anything helpful besides give out weapons at 100 points; hell, he basically forced Take to fight by teleporting him out by himself. We saw what happens when you die; you spend eternity fighting the alien that killed you.

edit: I'm guessing that if Kurono does still exist in the memory, he won't have memories of fighting host samurai. I'm hoping he'll just get super pissed because he just got 100 points and wished himself out, but from his perspective, he'll go nowhere. I guess we'll see if Kato survives with 100 points, though.

[®onnie ®ude]

kbell said:

that's stupid balance; why would gantz waste his time hacking people's minds?

Kbell, Gantz does it all the time. The bombs in the heads? Erasing memories? The way Gantz desensitizes the minds of gantzers is like a psychology that can be referred to as hacking. And Oku is so random that you can't rule shit out anymore. So, to call someone else's take on a future possibility stupid only makes you look like your unfamiliar with Oku's way of thinking.

[KßзŁŁ]

well the bomb is in essence self preservation; it's gantz's insurance that he can keep his own people in line. erasing memories is another way of doing that; he's keeping people from knowing he's out there.

but adding memories to create a super gantzer? that's just totally against everything gantz is about. there are a lot of things that are up in the air, but I highly doubt gantz is going to ever do that, even as a reward for getting 100 points or something. I suppose only time will tell, though.

edit: I don't think hacking accurately described what I meant. Memory wipe is one thing, but matrix esque kung-fu additions are entirely different.

[gattsu]

I'm almost positive that they can revive Kurono. If he is dead, there's basically one path (generalizing) the story can take down.

A. Kurono is dead, sadness, now the story will continue how it continued last mission. I hate gantz....

If however it is possible to revive him, the story branches out, and has many plot twists that can be implemented.

A. Is it the same Kurono (not saying he would get a super Gantz, maybe just more in line with Gantz thinking).

B. WTF, I just got out of here you asshole (revived with the memories of himself being teleported out. Your left to wonder if you can truly escape Gantz, Izumi certainly didn't he became addicted to it.

C,D,E Lots of options left.

And I also doubt Kurono is going to become a super saiyan.

[Dane]

Well, if Gantz simply put memories or something like that in Kurono's head, that'd be pretty useless. Just because someone, in their head, knows how to do something, actually using their body to do it is a lot different.
Like, say Gantz put the knowledge of using Kaze's martial arts in Kurono's mind. In theory Kurono would be able to use it, but his body isn't physically strong enough to do it.

[KßзŁŁ]

technique has nothing to do with strength.

[gattsu]

Well Kurono's body is greatly amplified by the suit... so he might be able to pull off Kaze's moves if Gantz implanted the memory's, but Kurono has his own unique fighting style, and I think the author would shun such a move as not to make martial arts cliche, instead of unique.

[Dane]

kbell said:

technique has nothing to do with strength.

So, you're saying that if a martial arts master was starved almost to death and they were pretty much a skeleton with skin on it, they could still use their martial arts effectively despite having almost zero strength?

[KßзŁŁ]

dude being malnourished is not at all the same thing as being weak. they would have zero "stamina" by not ingesting food; in order to get zero "strength", they'd have to remain unmoving until their muscles atrophied.